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started: 12/10/2008
With the economic downturn causing great financial uncertainty, this winter is bringing stress to many people. What opportunities do you see emerging in this time of crisis?
fallintoreality's picture

This time on the planet is not about moving away from one thing and toward another--it can be--if we're interested in an unconditional experience, personally and globally--about integrating all experiences as inclusive to the whole, the "oneness" consciousness we're talking on.

Materialistically, beauty abounds, we simply haven't recogized it within and so, we couldn't recognize it as it manifested on the physical plane. Whatever is, is an opportunity to be realized as god, perfection, what is supposed to be arising now.

Crisis is imminent--all things built on an illusionary concept or construct of "who I am" must fall. Our desire to meet the truth, (what's really going on here) is rhe most powerful force that exists- and so, we must burn, we must deconstruct, we must fall down. It is what we are calling in, in every moment of the day. The question is, are we calling it in consciously and allowing, or are we unconsciously resisting it and creatind crisis?

We must die until even the "illusion" is met as god.

This time on the planet is a walk into the "cave" of misunderstanding--the one we have been living out for thousands of years. It's a time of crisis, which is inevitable for the emergence of self-inquiry--"what is really going on here? How can we suffer so? What's the point?"

Crisis is never what we think it is. Crisis is what happens when we resist change. Crisis is the merciful sucker-punch Kiss of God telling us to wake up to the true nature of suffering and remember the true nature of who we are when we aren't fighting the beautiful fluxing of this form.

Yvette's picture

I found this to be of interest:

Beyond Greed and Scarcity by Bernard Lietaer

http://www.scribd.com/Beyond-greed-and-scarcity-Bernard-Lietaer/d/24588807

""Significantly, we have witnessed in the past decades a clear re-awakening of the feminine archetype. It is reflected not only in the women's movement, in the dramatic increase in ecological concerns, or in new epistemologies reintegrating spirit and matter, but also in the technologies that enable us to replace hierarchies with networks (such as the internet).
Add to these trends the fact that for the first time in human history we have available the production technologies to create unprecedented abundance. All this converges into an extraordinary opportunity to combine the hardware of our technologies of abundance and the software of archetypal shifts."

Duszlak's picture

I think it's a great opportunity to transform our thinking, to increase community engagement, to improve family relationships, to change our priorities, and to increase our spirituality. Hard times strengthen people--so long as people are able to find meaning in such times. Moreover, they help people to develop character. I think that, during the economic crisis, people will increasingly rely upon their social supports and they will also provide increased emotional support to loved ones as well--In sum, they will seek support during the economic recession. By relying upon social support, people will feel a greater sense of connectedness with others in their family, schools, communities, etc. Also people will hopefully see that monetary flourishing is petty when compared to the sense of fulfillment to be had through love.
:)

Alan's picture

Good points, Dusziak. It continues to amaze, and concern, but not surprise, me that governments are doing whatever they can to maintain the status quo (bailouts, stimulus packages, etc.), rather than to take the opportunity to examine the root causes of the problem. Prescribing a feast as a cure for gluttony when food is scarce isn't going to get us where we need to go. For that reason, your point about hard times strengthening people--so long as they're able to find meaning in such times--is perhaps the key. Addicts find meaning after hitting bottom...not while still in denial and striving for that next fix.  How do we, individually and collectively, help ourselves and others find that elusive meaning?

istlota's picture

The economic downturn is a good thing, not a bad thing. Mankind _urgently_ needs to reorder his priorities. After all, we have all known for some time that mankind was on a path leading to destruction of both himself and his planet.

But, we are too EGO-centric in this age to voluntarily walk about from our ozone-killers and our addiction to wars-for-profits. Hence, the One has given us a little nudge in the right direction.

Note. This is not a case of a vengeful, angry, Old Testament god punishing sinners. This is a case of a loving parent taking candy out of the hands of a child [us] before we make ourselves sick with it.

So, yes, we should actually rejoice and enjoy this time of change. We are not, after all, defined by our physical body anyway. Hence, whether or not we have a job or money will not affect the _real_ you which is neither flesh nor blood nor bone.

Man survived tens of thousands of years without automobile plants or banks or a job. If Homo Habilis could deal with it, surely we can as well.

thatguymark's picture

It may not be a matter of an angry and vengeful god, but I question whether the end result may not be just as destructive if mankind does not change his ways - 'you will reap what you sow.' And in fact, we have already made ourselves sick with it - I'm sure it can get worse but why wait when we already have the signs and symptoms of disease. Individuals who are interested in this change is a minority to be sure, and we have to remember- perhaps in spite of a comfortable lifestyle that our experience is the exception, not the rule. I'm reminded of The Journey by Mary Oliver..

Alan's picture

Reap what you sow, indeed. And, boy, are we sowing bitter seeds...

Thank you, Mark, for introducing me to the poem by Mary Oliver. That very much speaks to the compelling nature of this often solitary-feeling pursuit, the lone voices, the call from within that grows more comforting as we move along.

This holiday break I've felt an even clearer sense of the way in which any societal structure and its offshoots that strictly identify with and/or are based upon separateness/individualism are simply unsustainable over the long term.

How can staunch individualism and the values that flow from it serve as a viable foundational structure when embedded in an intrinsically interconnected context? It flies in the face of nature and, indeed, rationality. I certainly understand the benefits of measured progress toward individualism as relief from the binds of conservative cultures, but the trajectory we've been on in the West, in America, has overshot dramatically. What has held promise as a liberal succor, and made America an ideal for many, has instead become the disease itself and has infected cultures all over the world.

What a dream we've been living...this chimera which asserts that what is best for me is best of all, that justifies whatever means are necessary to secure our interests. Sounds a lot like a paradigmatic 'bubble' to me!

 

Alan's picture

I think you're correct, Istiota. And, I like your analogy of a loving parent taking candy out of the hands of a child before we get (too) sick.

When we so identify with the wrong things (i.e., our possessions, our stories of domination, our bank accounts), it certainly feels like death to let go of them...but in many ways that is what we have to muster the courage to face. Letting go of one rung of the ladder in order to get to the next...

thatguymark's picture

Came across this in an interview with Tarthang Tulku, in response to a question on economic and social problems:

"Presently people are suffering from lack of resources or from difficult environments. But there again, these are not absolute conditions-they only show up our bankrupt view. If you use higher knowledge to keep abreast of the infinity of space and time, your environment will reflect that. There is tremendous energy available for us if we use time properly. As for social issues, I might just list two points. Those people who learn that everything is “here” will not be able to duck responsibilities for the suffering of other human beings just because they are far away. We are all in this together. That has become a fashionable thing to say, but I'm trying to make this vision available so that people will see what it means, directly. My second point in this regard is that one's self-confidence will necessarily grow along with extended personal responsibilities. We don't need to feel inadequate. Inadequacies are also presentations of space and time-we can work with them any way we want, and instantaneously … this is the idea of self-healing, and even of alchemy, carried into a sphere where they can really work. Which way we want to use our lives is entirely up to us."

Alan's picture

Well he certainly places responsibility directly in our own laps. No ducking or blaming, clearly!

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